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Discussion in 'DVU' started by Tigers, Aug 7, 2015.
I don't know what it is, but I agree with Kyle.
i dont know what deporting kids who were brought here when they're babies is but since kyle supports I do to
Because if they aren't citizens by now they never will be. When they've had time to become citizens yet choose not to they need to get the fuck out
I'm shocked that Kyle doesn't understand how any of this works.
I helped an ex co worker gain citizenship. I know exactly how it works
You're both right, though I wouldn't use the word "shackled" by diversity. We DO lag behind socialist utopias such as Canada (significantly) when it comes to economic mobility - i.e., the American Dream. At the same time, studies have shown that as communities become more diverse, social capital - trust and enagement in your neighbors, institutions, etc - decreases. And it can't be argued that no trust and no engagement is OK..
What's the solution? I dunno. But it's not calling each other names.
Putting this thread back on ignore.
It's sad we had a Clemson fan on here out himself as a white supremacist and people's reaction was just "hurr durr keep the RANDOM thread on topic!"
If you seriously think that I am a white supremacist because I don't believe that diversity=quality (diversity can attribute to quality but so can homogeneity, neither guarantees quality) and because I don't believe in paying more taxes to support more social welfare programs then I don't know what to tell you.
Not all Republicans and/or libertarians who voted for Trump and don't believe in social welfare programs are fucking Klansmen or neo-Nazis.
My hatred of the poor isn't a black/white thing either. I drive through Red Bank and South Congaree every day. There are shit loads of white lazy shitty sand people there that I despise as much as any lazy shitty black person.
But if it makes you feel better, call me what ever you want. I am not one to apologize nor care.
I get that you probably won't see this but the conclusions you're talking about regarding diversity mostly come from one bit of research that the researcher themselves talk about how its been manipulated by groups with anti-diversity agendas to fit their desires. http://www.chronicle.com/blogs/percolator/robert-putnam-says-his-research-was-twisted/30357
I'd be curious how the social mobility compares in the micro levels since most of Americas diversity is concentrated in economic hubs and most anti immigrant/minority beliefs are concentrated in rural areas with near homogenous communities. Always was sad during the election that people in bum fuck were wildly more afraid of terrorism than people who lived in areas that might actually be targeted. Talking like 10% to 80% type swings.
americas one of the only countries where we somehow see abject poverty, just soul crushing poverty and don't think we should have social welfare programs to insulate at minimum the children from both the literal brain deteriorating impact of said poverty and to guarantee they have the most basic supplies for daily life. children that had no choice in the say of who or where they were born, likely the same for those parents, especially in light of knowing how poor our social mobility is.
but can also see a CEO get a $90m bonus package after being involved with one of the biggest data breaches in history, delayed telling anyone, botched the roll out of assistance, and think our version of capitalism makes sense or is moral.
Lyrtch seems to believe his internet sources aren't extremely slanted and bs from the left.
Lyrtch you and other people too lazy to look up non left leaning sources here's reference to an article from the nyt
A direct quote from you: "America is shackled by diversity..." That is the literal definition of thinking the white race is supreme and other races are holding them back. I don't give a fuck about any of your half baked opinions on social welfare or these non-existent welfare queens you claim to know everywhere.
thanks for the conservative think tank article that has no empirical data but just imagined problems
I believe having children in the crippling poverty that you speak of is in fact a form of child abuse. In that context, I would certainly be a proponent of taking these children away from these shit tier familial situations and putting them into large institutions, call them boarding houses or orphanages or whatever you will. Make sure that they have quality food and shelter and clothing and educations. Have mentoring programs where people who are so inclined can come in and help guide and mentor these kids.
Sure, this would cost government tax payer dollars. But at least in this case, I could see where it could actually give these kids a chance and help break the cycle. So yes, I would support such an expenditure of tax dollars as it may actually be solution instead of a perpetuation of the problem.
As for the adults, instead of welfare programs and food stamps, etc, implement government work and education programs. Put these adults in this program, for which they learn a skill and then work in public works honing that skill. For that they earn a paycheck and food stipends. To remain in this program, they have to show up to their training program and to their job, they have to show success in matriculation through the program, and they have to pass drug tests (because people in the private work force have to do the same). If they are unwilling to do what it takes to stay in the program, then they get kicked out and at that point fend for themselves however or starve to death for all I care. But they have the opportunity. This will teach a skill, but also teach work ethic and having pride in oneself and in one's work.
Then you begin to have a population of skilled workers in a number of fields who are not only hire-able, but who have also provided a public service during the period of time that they were consuming tax dollars in the government program.
I feel certain that you will not agree with any of this, because we seldom agree on anything. But this is what I see as a potential solution to a major problem.
Diversity creates problems that places like Japan (who allows no immigration) does not face. I am not talking about white people being superior to anything. I am talking about having one national culture vs multiculturalism and how the former does not share the same potential problems that the latter does.
One way is not neccesarily superior in any way to the other, but to pretend that diversity and multiculturalism does not share its own set of unique problems is certainly naïve.
Again, call me a racist if you must if that makes you feel better, but don't expect me to apologize nor care about the label.
Lyrtch and CUtig must be poor
"must be poor"
says the guy who inherited "everything" from his family
Keep spinning that rhetoric Styx, as was said last night, it's very clear who you are. No one wants an apology, I'm just embarrassed at the thought of you spewing your bullshit while representing Clemson.
I am not spinning shit just telling you what I think. And trust me, it embarrasses the hell out of me how many damn socialists we have in our fanbase also.
At least we know where each other stands, or at least think we do.
I'd love to restart the WPA
the dismantling of social welfare and ignoring people who are struggling is just inhumane nonsense tho
I have no problem dismantling the social welfare system if we replace it with something better, more efficient, and that actually serves a better purpose.
Multiculturalism is a key aspect of our national identity and history. The Irish, Italians, Africans, Asians, Hispanics have all been persecuted and told to "go back home, we don't want you here" at various points in time. Instead, they stayed, worked hard, and are now our neighbors, coworkers, spouses, politicians. They were forced to assimilate to a degree to thrive, but they also incrementally changed our collective culture to reflect their own. I think that's what some people are pushing back against so much.
I agree that it can work. But it represents a unique set of problems and challenges that other places do not have to deal with. And a big key to making it work is the blending "melting pot" aspect of it all into one larger American culture. Resistance to the assimilation causes a lot of problems, especially when the former culture is held above or in higher regard to the larger American culture.
It is just one of the problematic issues that America as a Nation has to constantly work through.
How can anyone look at Kyles bone structure and believe he comes from money?
He is a prime example of RBS.
Kyle owns the Royal Bank of Scotland? Wow.
(this is what came up when I googled RBS)
I know who you are so this post is richer than me
Redneck bone structure.
Pretty easy to see it's not actually about disrespecting the flag, or the troops, or the country at all with these people. We're talking about a constitutional right vs hyperpatriotism. If kneeling makes you that upset under the guise of disrespecting the country and the flag, you should have been upset with professional and college football long ago.
US Flag Code: Chapter 10.176C “The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.”
"The flag should never be stepped on"
US Flag Code Chapter 10.176J “No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform.”
Maybe they need a little deep dive and personal reflection to find out exactly what has them so upset about this. I can also only assume that since the anthem is such a huge deal to them, that they stand up and salute the nearest flag or cover their heart anytime they hear the anthem play, including before games they watch on television or when they hear it on commercials or movies.
Also, really sorry about you not being able to enjoy college football anymore for the way they systematically disrespect the flag and therefore the country, but I know those principles you have are much too strong to allow you to continue watching it. Tough luck, but you have a lot more free time on Saturdays, which is nice.
PR mayor begs for help and says theyre dying.
Trump response is to attack her on Twitter even though the us response team agrees the us messed up their response. In large part to the wh ignoring the danger and responding slowly while Trump was at his golf course.
He also called Puerto Ricans in general lazy, lol
But the flag
Every time I think he can't sink any lower, he goes and totally redeems himself! I am legitimately flabbergasted he attacked San Juan's mayor today.
This whole PR thing is disgusting. Trump was too busy fighting with athletes to realize what kind of humanitarian crisis was taking place.
I'm not convinced he actually knew PR was part of the US before last week. Not even kidding.