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Discussion in 'DVU' started by cuwoodchipper, Jul 28, 2015.
Anna said the same thing yesterday
Not exactly surprising. Everyone already knows Salyer is bullshitting with the "the two schools are so close" chatter.
I've said it before
I'll say it again
UGA is literally the worst team for Clemson to have to recruit against. Them "being back after a 30+ yr hiatus" is terrible news for Tigers
I have full confidence that we will “get ours” on the recruiting trail but I think it’s fair to say that, at this point, the recruiting is shaping up to be slightly disappointing. We have some fantastic players committed, just not the number of them that I think the majority were hoping for earlier this year.
They will “be back” for a while too since the SEC east looks as weak as ever. UF might be able to put some pressure on them with a great hire but that’s a year or two away, at minimum. We all know USC isn’t going to challenge them in the near future. UT needs to make a great hire or else risk falling to mediocrity for the foreseeable future. Even with a great hire, still a year or two out, at minimum. Kentucky, meh. Mizzou and Vandy, not likely.
SEC defenses are garbage, save Alabama, Auburn and Georgia. The next few weeks could be interesting. Georgia reminds me a lot of last year's Alabama team -- championship defense and a strong run game that takes the pressure off a freshman QB who doesn't screw things up.
Time to cut the losses and tell Sayler to kick rocks. You can't take the chance of having him around to poison the well with Mays.
I think we offered Salyer a greyshirt and he is mad now. Not Clemson man quality.
Alabama mods are claiming Xavier Thomas is visiting Bama this weekend. Not all that concerning to me, other than how's Dabo gonna handle it.
His team is playing at Hoover the night before and looks like a bunch of them are visiting. Not worried.
We should tell Salyer not to visit for the FSU game and cut our losses. Our chances with Mays probably aren’t high but he certainly wouldn’t help
Mays will not be attending a school that plays TN every year.
Jake Scott fans getting confident about Cade Mays.
1. From a recruiting standpoint, Clemson has exponentially more to lose than gain when it plays a North Carolina team anymore. But Saturday’s triumph against N.C. State had to bring satisfaction to the Tigers, particularly in light of Dave Doeren’s loser’s lament afterward.
As we framed last week, the Tigers have gotten more of their coveted targets in the Tarheel State the last few years than they’ve missed on. But they’re hitting on an exceptionally high rate of the ones for whom the in-state squads represent the toughest competition.
The only way the Tobacco Road schools figured to break that chain was finally knocking off Clemson.
But alas, the Tigers prevailed for the 15th straight time against an N.C. State, UNC, Duke or Wake Forest – a streak that dates to 2011.
We don’t know that it necessarily helps Clemson’s cause with any of these recruits who attended Saturday’s game. But it can’t hurt that they saw the Tigers take N.C. State’s shot and still come out on top, either.
Charlotte (N.C.) four-star offensive lineman Jovaughn Gwyn.
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Here are some of the relevant mutual prospects who were on hand:
2018: Charlotte (N.C.) Harding four-star lineman
2019: Charlotte (N.C.) Harding four-star running back/athlete
, Clayton (N.C.) defensive end
, Wake Forest (N.C.) Heritage linebacker
, Greenville (S.C.) quarterback
, New London (N.C.) North Stanly defensive tackle
, Suwanee (Ga.) North Gwinnett corner
and Rocky Mount (N.C.) cornerback
2020: Sanford (N.C.) Lee County defensive end
, Myrtle Beach (S.C.) quarterback
2. An interesting aside is the Wolfpack extended an offer Saturday to a Palmetto State prospect already on Clemson’s radar, too.
Greenwood (S.C.) Emerald junior tight end Luke Deal collected his first offer while visiting for the game.
Deal (6-5, 235) played quarterback as a sophomore and then into this season before switching to tight end three games in.
Clemson's staff actually worked him out as a tight end at the Dabo Swinney Camp last summer and has kept tracking him. Deal visited for the Wake Forest victory last month.
You might recall N.C. State stuck its neck out with the first offer for Clemson’s last tight end take, too – Seneca (S.C.) commitment
3. Several remaining targets visited elsewhere during the weekend. But none of the trips stood to carry greater importance than that of Knoxville (Tenn.) Catholic five-star tackle
Mays (6-5, 300), ranked No. 14 nationally by Rivals.com, went to Georgia for its win against South Carolina.
The legacy has remained publicly committed to the Vols since July 2015, but all parties are aware he is up for grabs.
Mays will go to Ohio State this week, and an official visit to Notre Dame is penciled in for early December.
But as we’ve reported since last weekend, this has shaped into a battle primarily between Clemson and Georgia.
Both will have received unofficial visits – the Tigers played host to him a week ago – before netting an official.
Clemson is slated to get its big at-bat for the major official visit weekend Nov. 18 in conjunction with The Citadel game. Georgia, meanwhile, is tabbed to have the final crack in December.
Maybe apropos of nothing, yet we found it interesting that Mays evidently did not conduct interviews Sunday following his visit – whereas he obliged quite readily after the Clemson trip.
Georgia surrounded Mays with fellow offensive line recruits likely to matriculate to the Bulldogs, and we don’t have any doubt he had a good time.
We still think Clemson has more factors to its advantage, but the Bulldogs are a formidable contender here.
One is left to wonder whether the Tigers will have to close the deal before Mays reaches those last two official visits.
4. We wanted to touch a little more on another five-star target in Clemson’s crosshairs: Jacksonville (Fla.) Trinity Christian safety
The Tigers came back into the picture this fall with Johnson (6-1, 180), ranked No. 12 overall, after Georgia went in another direction and Florida bowed out of the conversation.
Ohio State and UCLA have also been cited as contenders, with Johnson having taken an official visit to the Bruins two weeks ago before being among the star-studded official visitor cast at OSU’s win against Penn State a week ago.
We’ve laid out our belief the Tigers hold the cards here, but that this story has yet to be written.
Jacksonville (Fla.) five-star safety and Clemson target Tyreke Johnson.
Let’s put it another way: Ohio State, like Clemson, was likewise in the exploratory phase with this recruitment.
Based on our information, we have reason to believe he passed the test for the Buckeyes during his official there.
But that’s only part of the equation.
Our intel points to Johnson placing a premium on staying in the south – a big reason the Tigers remain in the driver’s seat.
Yet to repeat, there are still checkpoints to be crossed before we increase the odds on this being a match.
Johnson has expressed the intent to take his Clemson official visit for the Nov. 18 The Citadel game as well.
How that trip goes will go a long way toward defining his candidacy to be the Tigers’ safety take.
5. It shouldn’t shock anyone that defensive back recruiting will go down to the wire, although Clemson’s track record in recent classes shows rather favorably to its approach.
There are indications, though, that it will be difficult to regain momentum with a top cornerback target who seemed likely heading its way a few weeks ago.
Bradenton (Fla.) IMG Academy four-star
decommitted from Nebraska last week following his official visit to Oklahoma.
That Radley-Hiles (5-9, 187), ranked No. 30 in the country, withdrew his Huskers pledge comes as no surprise. You can go back to the beginning of the season when we began pointing toward Clemson getting serious consideration.
He subsequently circled the Nov. 18 The Citadel game for his official visit while taking his unofficial visit to the Auburn game in early September.
Yet based on our feedback from sources, Clemson might have gotten beat to the punch.
There is no debating Oklahoma gathered a ton of steam with its official. He is particularly close to IMG teammate and Sooners commitment T.J. Pledger, a fellow California native as well. We’ve hinted that an Oklahoma public commitment could come sooner than later.
We can tell you that Clemson's staff has not been informed directly that it is out of it. Radley-Hiles has also told folks he still plans on visiting Death Valley in two weeks. So as impressionable as Radley-Hiles has been to date, writing the Tigers off might be premature.
But we continue to hear from contacts close to Radley-Hiles that even if he does take the official visit, Oklahoma is still the likely destination.
6. Staying on the official visit theme, a notable trip is set for this week with another priority target.
Clemmons (N.C.) West Forysth five-star defensive end
will use his fourth official visit on South Carolina and its game against Florida.
Henry (6-5, 235), ranked No. 23 nationally, made his Clemson official a week ago. Georgia and Virginia Tech have already had theirs as well.
Alabama rounds out his final five and has postponed its official visit until December.
We think South Carolina owns the lowest odds of any of the finalists.
With Clemson viewed as the odds-on favorite – or at a minimum, in a battle with Virginia Tech – it bears noting going in which of those the Gamecocks probably don’t want Henry choosing, either.
Clemson has now put itself in great shape with Loganville (Ga.) four-star edge player Kevin Harris.
7. The Tigers dispensed a notable offer Thursday, pulling the trigger on Loganville (Ga.) Grayson junior four-star defensive end
Harris (6-4, 210), ranked No. 151 in the country, saw his stock explode during the spring via offers from Georgia, Oklahoma, Penn State, Michigan, Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee and others.
We’ve written a lot lately about Georgia’s in-state momentum and perhaps the increased difficulty in beating the Bulldogs for mutual targets.
But that loyalty can work both ways.
Upon discussing Clemson biding its time with local recruits others jumped on earlier, we’ve expressed many times that if you’re the home flagship program, you’d better be prepared to take the in-state kids you offer. It’s much easier to pace your recruitment or simply walk away the farther you are from a prospect.
Well, Georgia was the team to beat from the get-go, and now it is not. Connect the dots as you will.
In his reaction interview with Rivals.com regional analyst Chad Simmons last week, Harris labeled Clemson the offer he had been waiting for.
This is Harris’ first season in relevant action, and his true market figures to be shaped by the range of development demonstrated over the course of this season.
He visited for the Boston College game and is set to return for this week’s Florida State contest.
8. Here’s our weekly rundown for how various Clemson commitments and targets fared:
, QB, Cartersville (Ga.): Broke Deshaun Watson’s state record for career touchdown passes upon completing 17 of 31 passes for 222 yards and two scores in a 52-13 triumph against Troup County. Cartersville has now won 40 straight.
, WR, Rock Hill (S.C.) South Pointe: Ran for 58 yards on three carries, including a 44-yard touchdown, in a 67-14 romp of Midland Valley in the first round of the 4A playoffs. Also completed 5 of 7 passes for 106 yards and a score. Will host Belton-Honea Path in the second round.
, CB, Norcross (Ga.) Greater Atlanta Christian: Posted 139 rushing yards and two touchdowns (52, 70) on five carries in a 49-10 win against Dawson County.
, DE, Bradenton (Fla.) IMG Academy: Was slowed by a calf injury in the second half of a 32-21 triumph against Hoover (Ala.). Returned to IMG with teammates instead of making a publicized possible visit to Alabama on Saturday.
, RB, Butler (Ga.) Taylor County: After sitting out for more than a month with an ankle injury, he returned to rush for 157 yards and three touchdowns on 13 carries in a 41-10 blowout of Brookstone.
, RB, Mountain Brook (Ala.) Rushed for 50 yards on 12 carries in a 28-7 defeat to Ramsay.
, 2019 RB, Bradenton (Fla.) IMG Academy: Rushed for 113 yards on 19 carries in the victory against Hoover.
, 2019 DL, Anderson (S.C.) T.L. Hanna: Was credited with a couple of sacks and helped hold Byrnes under 200 yards of offense in a 57-7 triumph in the first round of the playoffs. Plays host to Greenwood in the second round of the 5A playoffs.
9. College basketball’s early signing period begins Wednesday and runs for a week, after which prospects will have to wait until April to be bound to their school of choice.
watch is on.
The Spartanburg (S.C.) Day School five-star forward, ranked No. 2 nationally, was a no-show for his expected unofficial visit Sunday to check out South Carolina’s exhibition defeat against Virginia Tech.
Williamson (6-6, 270) has taken four of his five official visits, with one still available if so desired.
Spartanburg five-star Zion Williamson has been atop Clemson's recruiting board from the start.
He has previously mentioned perhaps making swings by both South Carolina and Clemson in the end.
One of those would now appear out of the picture.
Hey, it appears there’s only one place left to go …
10. As you have presumably ascertained, Clemson's staff has strategically steered several of its remaining priority targets toward visiting for The Citadel game for the reasons they always push toward a lesser opponent this time of year: The staff can devote more time and effort to key prospects on those weekends.
No opponent holds more recruiting appeal on Clemson’s schedule than FSU, though. And despite the Seminoles’ sunken state, Saturday’s 3:30 p.m. contest remains a prime draw.
So this weekend’s visitor list is taking shape as a star-studded affair featuring primarily touted juniors and sophomores.
We will roll out a number of additional names as the week goes on.
But included among the high-profile guests:
*** Loganville (Ga.) Grayson junior four-star linebacker
will make his first appearance on campus since early June. Pappoe (6-0, 212), ranked No. 19 nationally, might have his mother in tow as well, although that is undecided. He publicly narrowed his list to Georgia, Clemson and Nebraska recently, with the Bulldogs deemed heavy favorites.
*** Twin City (Ga.) Emanuel Institute junior four-star defensive lineman
, one of our favorites from the Swinney Camp last summer. Fann (6-3, 260), ranked No. 242 overall, carries a strong affinity for both Clemson and Georgia.
**** Another of Clemson’s latest Peach State offers -- Roswell (Ga.) Blessed Trinity junior safety
– is slated to be there as well. Chambers (6-2, 210), for what it is worth, went to the Auburn game.
*** Lakeland (Fla.) junior four-star tight end
will also make the trek. Zipperer (6-3, 215), ranked No. 85 in the country, competed for a full three-day session of the Swinney Camp and picked up an offer early this season.
*** In this class, one prominent target who could show his face is Roebuck (S.C.) Dorman tackle
, a Virginia Tech commitment.
McFadden (6-4, 290) is still set to take his official visit next week but is mulling an invitation to return for his third unofficial visit of the season.
Virginia Tech has taken its best shot at retaining him.
Now Clemson gets its turn to close the deal.
Speaking of which …
*** Although it's not yet etched in stone here on a Monday, another target who may be in town this weekend is Phenix City (Ala.) Central five-star receiver
Ross (6-4, 195), ranked No. 19 overall, visited for the Auburn game early in the season.
This trip is a compelling precursor to his official visit one week later – especially when Clemson’s strongest competition, Auburn, has a marquee home game with Georgia as well.
This is out of left field. But Seriously if our boosters get Zion Williamson, then Dabo should be pissed. I would rather have 2 4star olinemen than a damn basketball player. I don't care if he is the next MJ. We are a football school. But maybe that's just the Gaffney coming out in me. We had some great years in basketball while I was at GHS, including a 3peat. But at the end of the day 75% of the people from Gaffney would have traded those 3 state championships in basketball for 1 in football. Am I wrong that the amount of Clemson people that think like that is very similar?
Five-star defensive ends K.J. Henry and Xavier Thomas are close friends, and both are fierce competitors. That’s what makes their Madden video game contests so much fun.
The Clemson Insider visited Glenn High (Kernersville, N.C.) on Friday night to see Henry as part of our Tour of Champions, and the Clemmons (N.C.) West Forsyth standout took time to call out Thomas’s video game skills.
“I’m all up into video games. Hands down the best Madden player in the country,” Henry told TCI. “I’m better than Xavier, Micah Parsons just to name a few… (Thomas) knows what it is. I wanted to play him last time we were down there (at Clemson), but believe it or not he was scared to play me. So it is what it is.”
While they enjoy playing against each other in virtual reality, both Henry and Thomas have imagined what it would be like to play with each other in actuality. Thomas has been working to recruit his friend since he committed to Clemson back in April.
Henry said that if he were to choose Clemson, the tandem of himself and Thomas on the Tigers’ defensive line would be like a video game “cheat code” — it just wouldn’t be fair for opposing offenses.
“That’s a cheat code. That’s what it is,” Henry said. “I think that’s dominance in itself. Xavier’s game speaks for itself, and I think mine does as well, so that would be a pretty hard thing to stop.”
On a related note, I basically can't play Madden online until after the Super Bowl. Fucking EA has made it where you can't use injured players during the season, because it totally makes sense that someone would pay money to have the privilege of playing with Tom Savage at QB for months on end.
And yeah, I'll destroy all of you grown men in Madden once I get DW4 back.
You are fucking retarded.
Uh yeah I'd like to be good in both football and basketball please. I was there during the Barnes era and LJ was a great venue. Fun times.
It would be cool to be back in the tournament and to have a big time player on campus. Count me in if there's a way to make clemson hoops fun again like they were in the OP and Barnes eras.
Zion may not be for sale anyway. It's not like clemson boosters have a history of caring about hoopsqueak enough to buy players.
Team Zion getting recruited has absolutely nothing to do with who we are capable of landing in football. What the fuck
The only way I'm pissed if Zion is being bought is if it causes the NCAA to start snooping around. Although I am Team Zion not being bought. We are getting the "Home Team discount" if we somehow get him. from the non-basketball fan on the board.
Suck my dick while I piss. And I hope you enjoy basketball season this year. I'm sure it'll go great as always.
Lol'd in real life when I read this
Honestly, how old are you? I'm concerned that you're not old enough to have an account here without your parents' permission.
Me being aware that our basketball program is about equivalent to Scar's football program makes me, at bare minimum, wiser than anybody disagreeing with my original post.
That's fair enough. Everybody on here likely feels the same. But given the choice most would choose football.
A lot of people here said similar things about not wanting to pursue being good at basketball because it’s a dirty sport to recruit and they didn’t want football to be affected years ago. It’s not a new take.
It’s a stupid take because we don’t cheat in basketball. And if we get Zion, it’s not becuase we bought him
Take it to the basketball thread.
What the frick
What an astoundingly bad take. What the fuck does landing a basketball player have to do with football recruiting? It's not like Brownell had to get permission from Dabo to give up two four star recruits in order to get Zion. What the Hell does one have to do with the other?
When people were saying this in the context of being Ok with Brownell's lackluster results it was that they didn't want Clemson "playing the game" to result in the NCAA snooping around and it result in negative findings and ramifications for the football program.